Midterm exam- next Monday 23 January in class.contents: Twenty-five news grammar and crime words.
In class: Blog 3. Please respond to the following that appeared in Friday's Huffington Post. As before, your post should be 200 words. No credit will be given for any response after 9 am on Wednesday.
Author and Security Expert Anthony AmoreNO MIRACLE
How Tim Tebow Proves God Is Wicked or Incompetent... or Both
Posted: 1/13/12 12:28 PM ET
I just read a poll that said 43% of Americans believe that god helps Tim Tebow win.
I'm not joking. That's an actual poll as reported here.
This might sound like no big deal. After all, it's only football.
But that's exactly what makes it a big deal. Nearly half of all Americans think that there is a supreme being, an all-knowing, all-powerful creator, who actually takes an interest in the National Football League. This has wide-ranging ramifications, such as:
1. These people believe that the same god who helps the Denver Broncos does so while tens of thousands of innocent children die an agonizing death from preventable diseases every single day. So, that means that they pray to, worship, and even love a god who helps millionaires throw and catch footballs at the expense of poor, dying children. That's obscene. No, wait, it's OBSCENE. Some things deserve bold caps.
2. It also means that they believe football is so important to the world that the supreme being has a vested interest in influencing the games while standing with arms folded watching all of the other horrors of this world. If god can be deemed a football fan, then he must also be a fan of child rape, murder, genocide, and starvation, to name a few.
3. Further, these 43% have to also believe that Tim Tebow did something to upset god during the last three weeks of the regular season, when Denver lost three straight games.
4. If they don't believe that Tebow did something wrong those last three weeks, then they must believe that the Christian god isn't powerful enough to influence something as trivial as football game.
5. Finally, if Tebow loses against Brady, who isn't as fervent a believer as Tebow (or at least he doesn't make a show of it), those 43% must admit that public displays of faith (ie, "Tebowing") are NOT god's preferred method of worship.
All this aside, I think that believing that there's an invisible man in the sky who helps a quarterback win football games is rooted in either idiocy or wickedness, or some combination of the two. For, as Sam Harris so ably and often points out, he would have to be either sadistic or incompetent to act in such a way. And that can't be argued, at least not by these 43%.
I am definitely a Tebow believer. As a die hard football fan, there have been time when I actually said to myself or even outloud "Tebow may actually be god." I actually found this article to be somewhat funny, I mean whoever wrote it is clearly not a Tebow fan. This is the way I look at it, Tebow right now is one f the most valued and talented QB's in the league(besides Tony Romo of course) and he has done outstanding this season. The Broncos as far as I know never have this good of a season and it's success is mostly because of Tebow. I get people are angered by the fact that people are comparing him to god, and obsessing over him, but let him have his 5 minutes of fame. I also think Americans have a huge problem mixing religion and sports. Honestly I think this articles kind of stupid, who cares, just let them play football, of you don't like it then don't watch the game.
ReplyDeleteThe author isn't a Tebow fan? Huh i thought his opinion was tied with the connection of Tebow to religion. The author's view point is not influenced by whether he likes Tebow or not. His main argument is that the 43% of Americans are dumb enough to believe Tebow and god are connected in some divine manner. Why would a god intervene in a simple recreational game that has nothing to do with the world at large? The way i see it the author is just stating the facts about the issue. It makes zero sense to point fingers and say that the author isn't a Tebow fan. Love you too!
DeleteIt’s no secret that each of us has our own views on the things we encounter in this life. For example, if a group of people were to hear a popular old school song playing over the radio, that one song could trigger a different feeling in each person hearing it. One person might feel uplifted because of a pleasant memory in their past associated with the song. Another person might feel angry based on a bad memory they associate with the song. Still another individual may feel no affect whatsoever from the song because it was never played in their household and was on the charts before they were born. This is the same type of situation that occurs when God or Jesus Christ or Christianity is brought to someone’s attention. The way people respond to the Lord is a reflection of what is in their hearts. What is in their hearts brings forth emotions and various words in their minds that they associate with how they view God. Those emotions and thoughts then result in actions they carry out in their lives. And from God’s point of view, he deals with humans based on what he sees going on in their hearts.When we take into account what 1 Kings 8:32 tells us, in that the Lord is “condemning the wicked, to bring his way upon his head; and justifying the righteous, to give him according to his righteousness,” then we understand why the froward (froward means hard to deal with) view God as being froward. God works against what the wicked do and causes them to reap bad things from their bad ways. Since their view of right vs. wrong and good vs. evil is twisted, they view anything or anyone that hinders them or disagrees with them as being froward, or wicked. So God becomes wicked to them and they try to cast God in an evil light. This is why atheists deny his existence and attack the Bible and people who cling to the Lord. This is why moral relativists claim that no one can know the truth. This is why people clinging to false religions want Christians to back off the claim that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. And this is why people push God away by making excuses about why the God of the Bible is not for them. Paul stated their view of life so eloquently when he told Titus, “unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.” Therefore, it is no surprise they question the validity of the Bible, of following Jesus Christ, and of repenting of their sin. If this guy has a direct connection to God and he is praying and winning these games well great for him.
ReplyDeleteAMAHTALA SAYS I agree with Emmet 100% everyone has there own opinion on God and Jesus Christ so people look at Tebows career differently. It .all depend on your own beliefs. I also believe that people are just targeting him because of that fact that he's more about there about his religion. I'm sure there are more NFL players that believe and God and goes to church faithly, but they choice to do this survey and poll on Tebow?
DeleteI actually find this story funny. Tewbow is a great football player and takes what he does seriously. Some of the things he does in football, is something that a lot of people cant do. Whoever wrote this story was just jealous and clearly isn't a Broncos fan. Comparing him to God is a bit too much but i guess that's how good of a player he is. He's good at what he does obviously that's why he's in the NFL. Bringing sick children into the equation wasn't even necessary. Honestly they just wanted something to say to start war with others. Otherwise they wouldn't have said something so stupid. But Tewbow is a great football player and sometimes he is a god on the field because he's that great at what he does.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with you 100%. I feel like the author of this article was just mad because his team may be having a crappy season. I feel like you couldnt have stated your idea better
DeleteI do believe in God but I don't think his wins and losses are based on the help[ of God or him sinning and losing. I feel Tebow made his way to the NFL so he's obviously a great football player. I run track and I do the same events every time. Sometimes I jump far, sometimes I jump not so far. Sometimes I have a low time sometimes I have a high (bad) time. Everyday you can give your all, but it may not always be your best. Every person in the world doesn't believe in God so they don't see that the harm they're doing such as "child rape, murder, genocide, and starvation" is judged by God. The dying children in other countries do not worship God. They have their own religion. I pray to someone everyday but I believe my own effort determines how I perform.
ReplyDeleteShanelle Clark thank you for letting me reply to your blog entry. I defiantly agree with what you were saying to this. i Also believe in God as do you. Clearly this man had to put in so hard work and detication. I feel this man had to work hard and had God guiding him to his success. But people dont kust sit on a sofa and then become an olompic athelete. I feel this person pulled this out of there but when they wrote this article. I agree with you to, in the end all the people that rape murder and commit genocide will be judge. God didnt make these people do this they did it there self.
DeleteLynnea Says: I agree with Shanelle’s post it depends on the person playing the game. If you work hard and believe in yourself and the team most of the time you’ll get the outcome you want. Even if you don’t you know that you tried your best and God has nothing to do with the fact that you won or lost a game. Shanelle you made a great point when you said” Every person in the world doesn't believe in God so they don't see that the harm they're doing such as "child rape, murder, genocide, and starvation" is judged by God.”
DeleteIn response to Shanelle Clark, i ageree with what you are saying 100% because it depends on the person self prepare, you can prepare yourself spiritually but you will benefit from actualy physically preparing yourself.
Delete*sigh* I would put a disclaimer but that would sound self serving, so to the people I offend with this response, (and I most likely will), just be offended with the knowledge that I do not apologize. With that being said I will start my response. ANOTHER statistic is that atheists know more about religion than the religious do.
ReplyDeleteTo save you the trouble of looking it up: http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/29/faith-vs-religious-knowledge/
Now what's the relevance? Let's say that roughly 50% of believes did poorly on this exam (which is aiming low, actually) then the 43% makes sense. If roughly half of people that believe a religion don't totally understand it then obviously they might believe something ridiculousness like the deity that created the planet, all forms of life, and existence itself, and has the power to stop armies with pillars of fire, and the ability to do everything ever conceived and not conceived would bother to influence a football game. I feel Americans take things way more seriously than it needs to be taken, and now it's just happening to football. Am I surprised that fans of Tebow are attributing his talent to the christian god? Kind of, but not really. Honestly, as sort of a fan myself I'd rather believe its because he's just a remarkably talented person who works hard at what he does, and not that he is cheating by using the christian god. I mean if that's the case I feel like the ref should give him a red card and ban him for "Omnipotent Interference" and ban him from the game. But like I said, it's not that surprising. Everyone good and famous kind instantly loses all credit at a certain point in America. Some lose the spotlight to scandal, some to drugs, and so I assume religious deities are not beyond taking credit for winning football games.
As for the whole "ignoring the downtrodden to help American pastime" I'm not surprised about that either. Americans feel this wierd sort of entitlement. I think it may come from being the biggest dog on the porch (more the poorest hobo with the biggest gun) or maybe its that we are so isolated (being surrounded by 2 oceans and only bordering 2 countries, whereas in Europe or Africa you can leave a country by driving in any direction for about 5 hours or less) that we feel like the only people in the world. Its not from cruelty that we think that the christian god is helping 1 man play foot ball while starving children in Africa that are being pulled into sex trafficking are crying because their parents died of AIDS. It's from ignorance. We don't experience daily so it isn't in the forefront of our minds.
The psychology of it: I've studied a bit of psych so here is my amateur diagnosis. Without knowing Tebow one can plainly see his beliefs and thus relate to him (if you follow his beliefs) and then he becomes a member of your "in-group", a group of people your mind associates with a biased positive. Everyone does this. Take it up with Freud if you don't believe me. If you don't know who Freud is, take it somewhere else. Now you are more inclined to believe ANYTHING a member of your in-group says, and Tebow says that the christian god helps him win. So the 43% that have Tebow that deep in their in-group believe what he says. There are likely other variables, but like I said, I've only studied it as a hobby, I have no degree.
That's pretty much it. Hope I stimulate some thoughts. Please, with any responses check your predisposition at the door, and I will respect your beliefs as much as you respect mine.
With Love, Zachy "Cuddle Bear" Bellucci
ZACH I FIND YOUR POST INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE HOW DARE YOU MAKE A COMPLETELY SENSIBLE POST I AGREE WITH YOU IDIOT POOPHEAD.
DeleteJoking and caps lock aside, I agree with Zach on all points, pretty much. Originally I wasn't giving the "downtrodden" line much thought, but now that I read it again, I have to say I agree. We are more or less what early China used to be: isolated. Granted, we kind of lack against wall surrounding us and did not fall to Mongols (unless European explorers count, heh), but we sit between two oceans with our only two bros, Mexico and Canada. Well, Canada more so than Mexico because Arizona and Republicans.
Anyway, yeah, I have to admit I also adhere to the "in-group" quite a bit (as does everyone, which makes me not hipster I guess :ccccccccc ). But yeah, have to say I agree on all points, again.
Except the red card.
I raise your red card one pillar of fire.
In response to "Zachy "Cuddle Bear" Bellucci" (nice name by the way):
DeleteI agree with Zach and in no way am I offended because I think he's extremely correct. Americans have always had a way to believe that we are "better than everyone else", even though we are in enormous debt to everyone else. Also you are correct about the fact that humans categorize people, and of course celebrities (because everyone knows they aren't people they're a whole other species) into those two separate groups, even though 90% of the people we categorize, we don't even know personally. Lastly you are right about the given fact that the "christian god" has nothing to do with football, otherwise he should be given a red card.
Eliana Santana
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Ms. Parker
Jan 17, 2012
This makes me laugh, you know? What is activity is missing in the lives of 43% of Americans to make them think up such dumb things. Sports is one thing. God is another. Tebow is just a really really good quarterback. He has shown his skill and effort with the Broncos in this football season. That DOES NOT mean God loves football and he supports Tebow and Denver city. Ehemm.. Yeah, some things just need to be in all caps. God doesn't hate children or anybody. Those are lives and souls playing and supporting, so if someones saying God's making it happen, they're wrong. If people want to bring God into this, you could say that God wants to be a part of everyones lives. But cummon! it's football. It's just a game with a billion plus fans. When someone is good at what they do. Don't be ignorant and just accept that they've worked hard to master the talent they have. I don't believe God is On the Bronco's side, because that doesn't matter. He isn't just guiding Tebow's reflexes and arms, no, that quarterback is just a really good quarterback. And God doesnt like child rape of Starvation and poverty. Infact, He teaches that that will always happen because they're will always will be greedy people who love money and dont care if that causes people to suffer. Now let's not act like that's not true. It is very true. That's the reason they'res so many problems. People need to stop talking so much about pointless things and stop trying to be cool by hurting people and being shallow. It's not cute either.
I agree Eliana. Football is just a game. It's suppose to be a form of entertainment not a display of divine intervention on the field. Tebow is just really good at what he does and since he chooses to acknowledge God for his gifts people write this kind of stuff about him. Poor guy :( at least he's still making money
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ReplyDeleteI believe that all individuals are blessed to have the gifts of talent, basic needs of survival (food, shelter, and clothing), moral and work ethic, etc. God gives us the power of choice and only speaks to us if we are willing to listen to Him. The humanitarian side of me definitely believes that there are more important trials to get through in life than football. However I enjoy different areas of entertainment, such as dance, while those same trials exist in the rest of the world.
The order in which we receive help from other human beings biblically, initially should be from our families and then so on with the level of intimacy and experience in each given relationship. What we go through is suppose to bring us closer to God and make our spirits stronger or else it will become harder for us to recover.
We aren’t born into the lives we each have for no reason. No one can change what others go to God for, however it doesn’t mean that God rewards those who don’t rely his Word unless and until it suits their personal agenda. The pulse of certain lifestyles is influenced strictly on the way of the world, not on God’s doing. A lot of the suffering that human beings face is self-inflicted or done at the will of other human beings. It’s wrong, but it’s our choice to make the decisions we make.
Media and entertainment industries won’t likely suffer financially or professionally until Armageddon because most people (including myself at times) want an escape from reality for as long as it exists.
JaQuana says:
ReplyDeleteI think that this is a prime example how some will say anything to dissuade people from believing in god. I am a firm believer in God and in my opinion he gives the talent, it's up to people to progress and make their talent better and better. If he wins or loses it is strictly up to the drive of him and his teammates. To compare God using his powers to help a mere football player is utterly ridiculous. I believe that most regular people would rather save dying children as opposed to helping a football player. I believe the writer of this article has very strong views on their being no god and that's his opinion, but he also proves a good point. There is no reason to believe that god helps Tim Tebow win football games, and then when he loses say " Oh he isn’t winning anymore, he must have made god mad." That just goes to show that people are saying anything to try and persuade people’s religion, or how they see their god. I think that people should get a life and find other things to worry about. If you believe God isn.t worried about dying children they how about you start worrying about them? Everyone has a right to believe what they ant. If God isn’t real to you fine, why talk about someone you don’t believe in? As I said get a life if you believe that. No offense.
Janiqua says: Reading this article made me kind of laugh. It makes me kind of laugh because they are making people that believe in god think twice about that. They are making it seem like football and god are the same thing which they are not. They say “these people believe that the same god who helps the Denver Broncos does so while tens of thousands of innocent children die an agonizing death from preventable diseases every single day. So, that means that they pray to, worship, and even love a god who helps millionaires throw and catch footballs at the expense of poor, dying children.” When they say that they make it seem like god is responsible for everything which he isn’t. Being able to throw and catch a football is a way different situation than children dying. God is not responsible for Tim Tebow winning the games that he won, and losing three weeks straight. The Denver Broncos lost for a reason not because Tim Tebow messed up or did something wrong for god to make them loose. They lost because they just didn’t do well or their heads weren’t in the game. With the people making it seem like god is responsible is ridiculous because if that’s the case the reason for other teams loosing is because of god too. The things that these people say are mind blowing to me. It shows that people just say or believe anything now a days even when it’s not true or doesn’t make sense.
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ReplyDeleteWe all have different oppinions and views on gd or even if there is one or many different.
The debate on god is a long and endless discussion that i believe should be avoided whenever possible and people should just learn to respect other'e beliefs. If you don't you'll get nowhere.
With that being said, the fact that 43 percent of people believe god is helping Tebow I agree is obscene.
As said in the article: " It also means that they believe football is so important to the world that the supreme being has a vested interest in influencing the games while standing with arms folded watching all of the other horrors of this world. If god can be deemed a football fan, then he must also be a fan of child rape, murder, genocide, and starvation, to name a few."
believing in god is one thing, but some people do take it a little far. And it's a bit scary to think about.
would it be ignorant of me to say that most people that are so interested in football are probably a little dim anyway?
yes. it would be...though I don't see stats like this for topics like who's going to win the nobel peace prize. I think it can be said that when we improve ourselves we stand a better chance of succeeding. I don't neccessarily believe god helped me pass a math quiz either. I believe Tebow practiced, and practiced and got better, or his comppettitr got worse. i do not follow foot ball so i wouldnt know, but i hope thats common sense.
apparently not though so it seems.
Newton Watson
ReplyDeleteI believe that people are born with their own gifts and talents. Whether those talents were given to them by God is not something that I like to argue. I do however believe that if there is a God or a higher being, he would not be spending time making a football player win a game. Unless something is a complete miracle I do not think it should automatically be associated with Gods work just because it's positive. If God does influence us, he does it on a larger, less obvious scale. Not in individual wins and losses in a sport. People have talent and it's them that drives it. So just how people aren't always perfect, if someone messes up it shouldn't automatically mean that God is mad at them. That's the thing that irritates me the most about this. God supposedly has to be mad at you for you to make a mistake. I do not believe this is a good way to view the world. People can believe that God is there, but he isn't the cause of every scenario that happens. The amount of luck that one person has in a day or in any situation should not determine how God feels about you at that time. Thinking this way will only make people paranoid about their status with God whenever something doesn't go good for them.
I completely agree Newton. If you sin God doesn't just say "oh you cheated on a test, i'm going to fire you from your part time job" Just like if you pray for a million dollars, you probably won't wake up the next morning with a check for a million dollars on your night stand. I'm pretty sure God doesnt work like that. Like you said, God influences us on a less obvious scale but it'll take a lot of work to get everyone to believe that.
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ReplyDeleteI am a strong believer in god and everything that has to do with the faith. I believe that god gives certain talents too certain individuals. But tebows winnings or losses have nothing to do with his praying, it is simply his belief. People seem to always find some excuse for something they do not understand. Some are even saying that his losses can be attributed to something that he did to upset god. When I pray I don’t expect anything or a miracle. Just because you pray to win the lottery doesn’t mean it will happen, God chooses those individuals that are meant to win. While tebow does have amazing talent, in the end it is in his hands to improve his skills. The author of this passage seems, to want people to lose faith in god.” Ok he is losing now, where is god, he must have pissed of god, that’s why he is not winning “. Why would god solely concentrate on a football player, when there are people that are dying that need him more? I don’t like how people are so quick to have an explanation, hmm maybe he didn’t feel good or his dog died and he wasn’t having a good day, maybe that’s why he lost or perhaps he wasn’t prepared. People should not blame or point to god for such a dumb answer.
Shaundrana says....
ReplyDeletePeople really do believe anything nowadays. Seriously 43% think that GOD helped him win? I'm not saying that he didn't say a prayer to GOD before he went out there and played but at the same time he himself won the game. I myself believe in GOD and before I run my events in track I say a little prayer and then go try to do my best. Sometimes I do well at other times I do badly but it all depends on how hard I go out there and run. Tim Tebow is a good football player and his hard work and dedication got him to the play off. I'm pretty sure that he is thankful and knows that GOD has helped in some sort of way. In my opinion GOD loves everybody not just the FOOTBALL PLAYERS OR ATHLETIC ATHLETES. Some people can really care less about football such as me but that doesn’t mean GOD doesn’t like me. It’s really ashamed that the 43% of people probably think that GOD was mad at Tim Tebow his last 3 games that he didn’t do so well in. Sometimes I do feel as though people over think certain situations; but at the same time people are going to voice their opinion whether you’re doing good or bad.
Lynnea Says: I agree 100% with what Shaundrana post. I believe in god but, I mean it all depends on how well you and your teammate’s plates and also how well the other team did and fate will decide. Yes, God does answer prayers but I know for a fact that some people that don’t even believe in God most of the time get what they ask for. It’s always good to confide in someone and let them know what your feelings but, some people do over think things alot and make it more than what it needs to be. That’s life though and everyone is entitled to think what they want.
DeleteAMAHTALA SAYS I agree with Shaundrana as well. Some people really have to much time on there hands. Like I believe that God does bless people with talents in sports or anything else. But I always believe thay it is there choice whether they use it tp the best of there ablitles. I don't think that God hands out talent then base it apon weather your good or bad. For an exaplme there are many singers and rapper that can sing dance or rap. And some of them don't believe in God, but they still have the abiliy. So i don't think it's had everything to do with God. Its depends on how you use your talent....
DeleteLatriece says: Ok so as a joke this is HALIRIOUS (some things deserve bold caps). Yes there was a poll taken of why people think Tebow wins games, but there are also polls that ask people if they think Simon Cowell is really gay or not. Point blank period this poll is being taken to far. I mean sure there are going to be some true radicals in the poll that actually thinks that God takes his time out to help the Broncos (And not the Bills who honestly needs his help) go to the super bowl. NOT. Since America is one of the dumbest countries of course there not going to actually analyze a question someone just asks them randomly on the street, which is exactly how a poll is taken. You can’t add depth to such a shallow question. Besides the fact that the author of this article is most likely writing this for shock value or publicity by being “controversial” , this article is not to be taken serious at all, especially by a real football fan as myself. Another point to take is that the author degraded the name of god by mocking his purpose by saying based on the poll he actually does that . NOT. This article is simply foolishness, but I must say entertaining to read.
ReplyDeleteHmm... I agree with you when you say that this article might be more entertainment than truth, but I don't think we can discard everything the author is saying. Based on the article, I do think that people analyze the polls, even polls about Simon Cowell, as ridiculous as that sounds. (By the way, I found your Simon Cowell bit, quite funny. To think! People actually care about something like that! haha Nice touch!)
DeleteWhile, yes, the polls taken might not hold much substance, I believe people, Americans "analyze" polls. E.g. Look at the political campaigns. I believe that people "analyze" polls whenever their own beliefs don't comprehend or match the statistics. I believe this holds true especially when the topic is a religious one. The "shock value" might occur when someone reads the article, but I think the purpose was to share opinion. I believe the person who wrote the article, was just upset that people would believe that God, or whoever, actually helps Tebow win games. While personally he might go a little too far in his "opinions/attacks" (take whichever word applies to you best), I think it's the fact that he can't fathom people thinking this way that makes him want to share to the world how unhappy he is about all of this. (Sorry.. that was a really long sentence.) Unfortunately, while I don't like to think it's true, I believe people do and can add depth to questions even the most shallow.
Lastly... Latriece! You're American too! I know for a fact you're definitely not dumb! You were probably just joking, but just in case (you know I like to be thorough), I want you to know that not all Americans are fat, lazy, and stupid! ;-P You already prove that point! :) Well I didn't agree with everything, it was nice reading your opinion.
I agree with the author completely. It makes no sense for a supreme being of infinite knowledge and power to aid an entertainer with a simple game and then stand idly by while areas of the world slowly deteriorate. If there were to be a being of such immense ability that cared about what humans did on a regular basis it would be more sensible for that being to help the population of Africa with all the disease and civil wars, not help an athlete with too much money win a game. Why can’t Tebow just be a good football player? Is he not good enough to win without divine intervention? Does god help out all of the athletes that do well in a game? If so then how can you tell god’s intervention from the player’s skill? If not then what makes Tebow so special? Does god play favorites?
ReplyDeleteI don’t follow football and I don’t believe in any supreme being. From what I can tell Tebow is destroying the competition and rather than accept that the guy is good at a game, America has once again linked something insignificant to ‘god’.
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DeleteThis x 5eva.
Anyway, as the above says, I agree with Darnell. God would clearly have something better to do than help an already incredibly well off guy just make another million to add to his 500+ million dollar wealth already. Although I do not follow football and do not know enough to say as such, Tebow could just be, as Darnell said, destroying the competition. Besides, even if God was helping him win, it would probably be as a sign to assist people who actually need help; "pay it forward", in a sense.
Tatiana Williams
ReplyDeleteFrom what I have gathered this article is made up of several biased assumptions made by Anthony Amore. I believe that we have to first evaluate the poll itself, and then its outcome. Since there is no info on where it was located we can assume that it could have been located on a Christian reference site, or the NFL website, either way these are Americans that were polled in general so quite possibly this has a range of ethnicities, faiths, team fans etc. Now that we have this idea the outcome states that “43% of Americans believe that God helps Tim Tebow win.” With this piece of information where does Amore gather in his first statement that these Americans must also believe that God “has a vested interest in influencing the games?” It is inaccurate to make this assumption since I am sure that because of people’s varying faiths, values, morals, etc. that there were a number of different reasons that people clicked the yes button agreeing that God helps Tim Tebow win. I could have chosen yes because I believe that because Tebow prays before/during/after his games God helps him when he sees fit, while another American may have chosen yes because they believe that God has an effect on everything including football games and preventable diseases. We can’t set a standard for a vast number of people with such varying views and opinions. Amore’s logic is off.
I found the ideas you brought up to be engrossing. I agree, before we can analyze the outcome, we must first look at the many backgrounds of people who voted. (Or, for that matter maybe the lack of backgrounds!) Agreed! Looking at the characteristics of people who voted for this poll is extremely important in understanding where people are coming from.
DeleteI might also like to add that the quantity of people, as well as the characteristics of people, also matter in determining the accuracy and worth of such polls. For example, 43% of voters could include a population of voters about the size of Rhode Island, or it could encompass a population about the size of California.
Putting both ideas together, if we were a team doing public-forum debate, I think we would get very far with these points! :D
I forgot to add in the second paragraph, that the size of population matters because the more people you ask, the more accurate your poll data will be.
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ReplyDeleteAfter reading this article I disagree with the 43% of Americans that believe that god helps Tim Tebow win. I think Tim Tebow puts a lot of hard work in to his practice and exercise time to win. It’s his gift/talent to play football. Also the help from his teammates makes the team. I’m not saying that he doesn’t pray to god to guide him but his success in winning every game because of god I doubt. If the Denver Broncos win every game because of god then I think god would help all the people in the world who have troubles in their lives. To compare God using his powers to help a mere football player is utterly ridiculous. I think everything happens for a reason. “Further, these 43% have to also believe that Tim Tebow did something to upset god during the last three weeks of the regular season, when Denver lost three straight games.” God should not be viewed as someone who judges.
I hate football with a passion but all the men in my family love, and are constantly praising him screaming his name saying he’s amazing. There has always been some sort of athlete that everyone praise’s over and this is the only article I have seen talk about Tim Tebow. Why not any other athlete? I mean yes god could be doing this for him but the god is not only praising sports. Whoever wrote that has something wrong with their head. I personally think Tebow is very religious as he said on national TV he was saving himself for his future wife because that’s what he believes in. Many people who believe in God and go to church and praise him and listen to his word may receive a miracle in return. All those winnings could possibly be god returning his prayers no one knows what Tebow does in his free time. It’s all in the way of being a man of God. People make up these ridiculous stories and put them all over the internet and everyone starts to believe them , talking about how god could be doing this for Tebow but is not helping other children in the world who are dying. I totally understand that everyone has their own opinion but this is definitely “foolishness”. Just can’t believe it .
ReplyDeleteI agree with you about literally everything you said in your response. I also, hate football. But besides that I think the only reason this person posted this article at all is because the topic is so mainstream in the first place, it's clearly to get attention from as many people as possible, because guess who we're all blogging about right now? Guess who gets all the attention he wanted? The guy who wrote this article. But back to the original idea, God has nothing to do with football, or Tim Tebow winning. God rewards those who are faithful to him.
DeleteDifferenet opinions are going to fly around this topic, or anything having to do with sports or religion. Everyone has their teams, and everyone has their own personal beliefs. I think that this poll is pretty funny. 43% of the country that we live in seriously believe that God is the reason that Tebow has done well this season. Ok, they can think what they want, but many might disagree. I think that since Tebow is a quarterback and plays football, he clearly trains for each season he is about to attack. This makes him good or not. Tebow may have his own beliefs in God, and maybe that might help him personally, but for the big man in the sky to actually stop and think about helping a specific team win, is funny to me.
ReplyDeleteJames (Jamie) Vanhouter response to Erin:
DeleteThank you Erin! Haha I feel so much a like on this subject & agree. Like any other player in the NFL, NHL, NBA, WNBA, or any sport players they all go through the specific techniques, right practice, training & procedures ahead of seasons and/or games in preparation. Praying all the time for a win doesn't mean that God will just direct all his attention to win one silly football game, theres plenty more important things in the world that may be going on that he could help with instead of just this. But yeah like you said there will be and is plenty of opinions spoken over this controversy. I say we all just give Tim Tebow his props and congratulate the guy.
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ReplyDeleteThis story is really funny. I feel God has absolutely nothing to do with the effect of how Tewbow plays. Those people that think that just need an excuse as to why their favorite player or team was sabotaged and that’s why they lost. That sounds so insane. I believe in God and I very strongly feel that he wouldn’t involve himself in something so irrelevant and not so important. It might not have anything to do with God at all. It could have been the “Devil” that helps Tewbow win. A lot of people say that celebrities with a lot of money sale their souls to the devil. So maybe it’s one of those circumstances. It doesn’t always have to be God’s fault and doing. I believe that god only interferes and shows his power when he is really needed or called upon. He lets things happen as they are supposed to, because he already knows what’s going to happen before it occurs. The people that’s think that god helps Tewbow are just ignorant to the man upstairs. They don’t know how to handle a situation and assume that it’s all Gods doings.
Football the classic American pastime, its popularity and pull on the American people has influenced the aspect of many lives. You can hear the sport brought up in atmospheres you wouldn’t even imagine. For instance take your average Wegmans the NFL is so popular there that it is even acceptable to wear your favorite teams jersey to work instead of the uniform, but I say this is taking it a little too far and it’s not the first time a sport has been wrapped up in issues and aspects of human life it does not belong. You see television shows like King of the Hill with fictional crazed fathers praying for their team to win. For whatever reason the general populace is trying to immortalize this man, and accredit his talents on the field to a deity, but in retrospect he is a man and that is all, a man who trained and worked hard to be where he is today. I believe this is a prime example of how the human race has advanced technology wise, but not mentally. To even speculate that this, Tim Tebow must have angered his god thus explaining the teams losses is preposterous. It’s like there just making accusations without having all the facts, did they ask him what he thought his losses meant? Was it his fault and his fault cause there are 26 other people on the team that are just as prime to make mistakes as anybody else. Personally I don’t watch football don’t care for it, and my opinion is worth about as much as the next guys, but I don’t accredit my “god-like” video gaming skills to a higher power, I simply have no life.
ReplyDeleteAre we really taking polls on where God stands in relation to football? And are we also getting so worked up about it that we write drawn out arguments refuting God's support of Tim Tebow? Maybe God really wanted the Broncos to make it all the way t the playoffs and then lose to Tom Brady. Maybe he doesn't give a damn because he has better things to think about, unlike 43% of Americans. So he’s public about his religion in an attempt to overshadow his cockiness… not a reason to bring theology into football. Controversial statement coming up in 3…2…1… Why can’t we have just one thing that we don’t ruin with religion? Religion clouds people’s judgment a lot of the time, anyways, since anyone can make up anything. I don’t agree with the idea that God is interfering with or not interfering with football. I’m Agnostic (n. A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena) so I have a weird fixation on actual physical evidence (crazy, right? Especially when the topic is sports) Tim Tebow has worked very hard to get where he is today, as any and all athletes have, so 43% of Americans discrediting his actual work by bringing God into the equation are not credible sources, in my opinion. There. Now all of the technicalities (i.e. “hey, where does God stand about rape, murder and *gasp* homosexuality?!) are gone, simply because Tim Tebow is a hardworking man (although he was slacking big time this week against the Patriots, yeah?)
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU LEE! As an agnostic myself I think it is just plain dumb that religion clouds judgement and makes people enraged over a stupid football game (in this case at least). I agree with you that Tebow worked hard to get where he is today. In the minds of religious people talent and hard work are always "miracles of God" bestowed upon athletes such as Tebow. I can't even write this without laughing to myself that this is all idiotic. No common sense whatsoever in those who believe in divine miracles over a simple game of football.
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ReplyDeleteOk this entire 'connection' between God and Tebow is just plain baloney. Tebow has no force of God moving in him, God never helped him win. Tebow is just a talented quarterback who worked hard to achieve his success. When people play football they are using the strategies they have learned to play the game well. This isn't some mythological thing where a divine spirit intervenes in something such as sports which are meant to be fun and exicting. 43% of the Americans take this issue way too seriously. Tebow did absolutely nothing to 'upset' or 'anger' God (If there actually is a God). And if there is a God his purpose is not to intervene in a stupid football game or other happenings in the world. His purpose is to have free will. I agree with the author that the thought of having a God that helps people win football games is completely idiotic. People just can't see that Tebow just works hard and that God has nothing to do with this.
The individual that wrote this article is making the comparison of Tim Tebow and God a bigger deal than what it is. It is common for people to refer to someone as a "god" because of their incredible skills for a certain talent they acquire. Tebow referring himself to God shows he is public to the people where he stand when it comes to religion. And I think it is unnecessary for people to become offended by this statement. I think the 43% of people who believe God is behind the Broncos winning are just using an excuse to blame someone on the team winning or losing.
ReplyDeleteKamille response to Monica: I slightly agree with your statement. I feel that many people always say that God gives them the talents they have. So if they did gain a win from the talents god gave them then give him the thanks he should get. He does promote to everyone about his religion, which at times we all do. I personally feel that he is good at what he does and that god blessed him with his talents. We can all believe what we want but we honestly don’t know how he makes the wins.
Deletei see where you are coming from and you are right, those 43% are using "god" like a scapegoat. if their team wins thank him for the help and if their team loses they can just blame Tebow for making "god" mad. i guess for them its easier to assume that "god" was involved rather than accept that another team was better than theirs.
DeleteI don't think that God actually helps Tim Tebow win a football game. Tebow is obviously a very devout person and prays to God before every game. I think that God does not really care about a NFL game. But I also don't agree with people who disregard and make fun of the 43% of people who believe. It's very important to be accepting towards people with different beliefs. Even though I think that God is not invested in Tim Tebow's football career, I also think that his faith probably pushed him to practice harder and gives him a sense of purpose for the game. I see no reason why God would favor Tim Tebow just because he is theatrical with his praises God. With all the hunger, violence, and unrest in the world, I'm pretty sure God has his hands full. Tim Tebow makes a refreshing story, a chaste NFL player at a time when many end up in jail. This is probably what draws many people to be inspired and love Tim Tebow. I don’t know anything about football, but it’s obvious that Tim Tebow has incredible talent, and should not be made fun of because of his religious beliefs.
ReplyDeleteDISCLAIMER: If you take offense with this post, apologies in advance. Will respect opinions. However, if your response is an attack, well:
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and that's really all there is to say on the matter.
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Due to my acknowledged position as the Switzerland amongst everyone I know, I will be playing both sides of this argument. First and foremost, I will say that I can agree with what the article is saying. I can't really say what my opinion/belief on God is -- probably leaning more towards Agnosticism at this point, I believe. However, I do think that God would have better things to do than assist an already incredibly well off football player in winning a simple football game. Although Tebow may claim God helped him win, and may even pray to him seventeen times a day, we have no concrete proof that God had helped him win. It could have been God, or it could have been a lucky day. Just as no one side in the religious argument has concrete, presentable evidence that God either exists or not, no one has proof to either prove or disprove whether or not he helped Tebow out, either.
I would also like to note that the 43% may just be attributing the "God helps him win omigosh!!11one!!1" to his skill. Considering I do not keep up with football in the slightest, I do not know whether or not Tebow is good or not, and can honestly not bring myself to care. What I do know though, is that people are entitled to their opinion: if they want to believe Tebow is getting help from God, then they can. If they want to believe in Flying Spaghetti gods, that's cool too. You cannot expect everyone to have the same beliefs or like the same thing. Maybe if humanity was a bee hive it would work, but I for one would rather not be forced into liking something I clearly dislike.
As for the article writing itself,
how did this guy even get a job anywhere ever
First of all, the "article" is clearly a guise for him to push his own beliefs on the religious debate. While I do appreciate hearing other people's opinions, writing a blatant attack against a certain group of people in a professional setting is kind of rude. :l
Also, there is so much bias in here oh my god. It is like a giant pot of bias for the bias party at Biasville. In Biasyllvania.
Anyway, I do feel like he could have been considerably less rude and could have tried not to be offensive, but at the same time I guess "self proclaimed intellectuals" feel the need to be disrespectful, high on the horse pricks????
Either way, yeah. Get a feeling I may/may not have irritated a bunch of people.
Oops. :v
First off I would like to say that there are many people that wrote apologies in advance because of what they were going to write.
DeleteI agree with Alex on what he said about “God having better things to do than assist an already incredibly well off football player in winning a simple football game.” Why would/should God pay attention to a game that is just for entertainment? There are many people around the world who need Him to help them in their “game of survival.”
As well as Alex, I am not a football person. I do not understand the rules and when I watch a game I have no idea what is going on. People have tied to explain but I am too hard headed to understand. And as well as Alex, I do not really care for it. Every one is entitled to their own opinions and believe what they want. If they want to believe that this is true, that is their own problem.
Again agreeing with Alex, there is bias in this article. This was purely his opinion and he did have some rude comments. It is one thing to have your opinion and other to be rude.
This isn't my official reply (I'm going to be rather brief), but I really really really like reading your blog posts. Sorry, for the complete random nature of this response. I just wanted you to know that rather I often agree with you or not, on what you post, you raise unique opinions that offer a valuable perspective. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I enjoy reading them! :)
DeleteThis is my first time reading Alex's reply. And I believe Leah couldnt have said it better. Your way of responding is unique and whole. Nice job:)
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ReplyDelete43% of Americans may have said that God helps Tim Tebow win games but I wouldn’t think that God is sitting there on the field actually guiding his feet and helping him catch the ball. God is the one motivating him. Tebow obviously knows that he has been blessed with a gift and it is up to him, not God, whether he’s going to accept this gift and perfect it. I wouldn’t want to waste a gift that I know I’ve been blessed with but there are a lot of people who try to manipulate other’s view of how God works.
There are many talented footballs players in the NFL so why is it that the media wants to call out the one player who isn’t afraid to praise and thank God for his gift? God isn’t a football fan but I’m sure he’s a fan of all his children who worship him. Everything happens for a reason. God may allow Tebow to lose a game to reassure him that he’s not perfect, not because he sinned. If someone is PERFECT at everything they do they begin to lose that humbleness. Yes child rape and murder are horrible things that happen in society but we weren’t meant to understand everything in this world. But there’s no one who will shake my belief that there is a greater being that holds the answer to all of our questions.
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ReplyDeleteGod does not give Tim Tebow the ability to win a football game. It is all based on his own strength and luck. Even though Tim Tebow is super religious and prays before each game does not mean God invested time in helping him win a football game. God has more important things to worry about like world hunger and helpless families. Americans who are religious and say that God helped him win a football game are just oblivious. If God helped other teams win, then He would be capable of helping every other human being in the world. The idea of God helping Tim Tebow win is satisfying to that 43% of Americans but is not a real fact in my opinion. When God is upset with you He does not take out His anger on you, He simply forgives if you ask for it. If Tebow upset God, He would not interfere with his football career because God has more things to do. God does not give Tebow his ability to win, he is just a naturally talented quarterback who works hard and gives his all during a game. What about other football players who are not religious and win games? They obviously do not have a higher power helping them win.
But doesnt God give talents to people in life? I mean, is the only reason your good at dance because you've done it forever or because you were born to dance. I mean, so what if people say God is a football fan, football you said is a game of strength and luck, but it's also a game of talent, some guys(and girls) are just built to play football, it's their "god given talent"
DeleteI disagree with some of what you say. Who are we to judge who gets blessings and who doesn't? Exactly. God is on everyone's side that's on his side. Tebow tends to pray before each game, therefore he's asking God for his blessings. Like Aireanna said God gives talents to people. Now your oblivious to the fact that he does. Whether its football or anything else. But we all have our opinions. So I'm entitled to mine.
DeleteTried not to respond but HAPPENING ANYWAY.
DeleteI dunno, I don't think Maddy was judging who gets blessings or not? Not looking to be the spark to start the religious argument, but God doesn't HAVE to appeal to everyone's blessings. With over six billion people in the world, and a good majority praying towards him each day, I would believe God would try to get to all of them, but prioritize the "larger" ones. Ones that are more "God please help me feed my family for the first time in weeks" instead of "God help me win this game so I can go home and bathe in all my millions".
Also, "talents" are subjective, in my opinion. Someone may be a talented writer or artist to one person, but to another they may absolutely god awful. Just think about what drawings you made as a kid: everyone's parents would say they were "AH-MAZING!" when they turned out to be, well, poop. And for those who continued to do art? They practiced and got better. They earned the skills they have now, and are "talented" because they worked hard.
Also, didn't think the oblivious part was really necessary, but you know, entitled to my opinion.~
First of People that do not read their bibles and is un educated about god (Christianity) and its teaching is the only ones who really can agree with this article. If you were knowledgeable about god the religion than you would no that this is very untrue. This is not about to be a discussion on what religion is right who god is and blah blah blah NO ! this is simply the matter of peoples opinions. WHO CARES IN MY BOOK. what a person believe is what they believe. I believe that (what i know from church is the bible) god loves everybody equally and doesn't favor. He will love a rapist and murder just as much as he loves a full blown Christian. this whole article can kick rocks. i feel as though the author just really put his personal thoughts in an article. this is just disrespectful to believers and non believers. Don't speak for others. And if people really feel that god would be in heaven helping football players win and not be worried about starving children, then they really need a jesus in their life. AMEN
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ReplyDeleteI think that this is crazy, this guy really has way too much time on his hands. Instead of judging someone for who or what they believe in and the blessing that he has, he should pick up a bible and learn a little something. He might have his own blessings or talents but he wont know about it if he is not searching or asking God to give him the knowledge of his blessings. To think that 43% of Americans believe that God helps Tim Tebow win. God is not sitting with the fans and is telling Tebow how to move or how to lead the team, to get a win. Do I think that God is on Tim Tebows side yes I do think that but I don’t think that just because God is with him, that doesn’t mean that God is not helping other people. He is trying to say that it is ironic that people think that it is all because of God Tebow he is winning these games and not helping hungry children. Foot ball is not more important than people in need. I think that people need to know that God is trying to help everyone that is willing to receive the help. If you relay on God then he will come through when it is Gods timing not when it is Tebow’s time or the hungry peoples time. I think I think that Tim Tebow is a very talented football player and just because he is a Christian doesn’t mean that it should make him the best or the worst football player. Tim Tebow worked with his talent and took it seriously because he never knew if he could win souls over for God. Everyone has their own talent and if they have not tapped into it or they do not work at it then they will not be great at it like Tim Tebow. Everyone has to work at their talents it is not like they will be the best at it right off the bat.
Anybody who believes in God gets a blessing in their time. Who are you to judge whether someone deserves a blessing or not? Tim Tebow may have done some pretty good things to feel as if God is on his side. Some people who are starving or dying of a preventable disease may not believe in a God at all. They may believe in another God, and by doing so they must wait for their blessings from their God. God may be helping Tim Tebow, but he is also helping others just in a different way. A football game is cake. World poverty is not. Expecting poverty, starvation, and disease to change over night, months, years, is unreasonable, and putting God down because of it is unreasonable as well. Somebody is going to starve somewhere, and somebody is going to die of a disease somewhere, everyone isn't going to get immediate help. Tim Tebow may just be more fortunate than others. His problems aren't as extreme as others, so his problems are easier to deal with. Just because he isn't outwardly struggling doesn't mean he is receiving divine help. Anthony Moore is expressing in a verbally ironic way the absurdities people throw at the world, and at God as well, its up to the audience of these absurdities to depict what is tolerable and what is not.
ReplyDeleteI’m not really a football fan but I have heard many things about Tebow. I slightly agree with this article to a certain extent. I believe that god helps those who help others. Yes, he gives blessings to those who deserve it so maybe god is paying him back. Some believe in god and some don’t. Do we really know if there is this almighty man who grants peoples wishes? We honestly don’t know. All the responses stated mean nothing because we really don’t know. I feel that it’s a possibility that that could be a solution but it could also be that he is a great football player. Why not just give him credit that he is very good at his job. How do you find it fair that when the cancer disappears that it was god answering your prayers? As I said before you don’t know and we probably never will. All you could do is think for yourself and believe in what you believe in. We thank god all the times even celebrities at award shows and the question is always there “do they give him more credit than he deserves” like I said before we are not sure. I personally think he does work in mysterious ways for everyone .
ReplyDeleteShymel in response to Kamille.
DeleteI agree with you Kamille and I also believe that God helps those not only who help others but "those" period. I believe that God awards us according to the measure of our well doing or if we really need it. Like you, I also think that none of us really know! Tebow just happens to be a good football player who believes in God and believes that he blessed him. So do I.
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ReplyDeleteThis article really offended me because I feel like this people who are saying that god is interested in football is very disrespectful. How can people be so ignorant and think that? I’m upset at the fact that there was even a poll for this. This is unnecessary and uncalled for because no one was not saying nothing about this when Tebow was winning and doing really well in the game, and now since he is losing n not ding so well in the games, people want to say god is helping him win. The other thing that trip me out is people is saying that god must been mad at him because he been doing so badly in the football games. Think about it god is a football fan…THAT’S STUPID! How can people be so ignorant, and these ‘pose to be Christians. If these were REAL Christians they would know that what they are saying is totally ABSURD! Is society so into football to the point they got to use god as an excuse of why Tebow is doing so badly? I guess so, I’m sick of god putting put into things that are so stupid, people don’t think before they speak. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. People in our society make everything bigger than it needs to be and trust me it’s not needed so to the 43% who think god is helping Tebow with football need to sit down and think about what they saying about this situation, To the 47% I thank you because that shows you don’t believe in this crap, that 43% should be ashamed of their selves. That’s how I feel about this.
First off, if Anthony Moore is an “expert” author writer then he must understand that when referring to the Christian god you MUST uppercase the “g”. This mistake in itself proves that he is ignorant, incompetent, insensitive and intolerant. The title, first and foremost, gives off a negative mood to a Christian believer “No Miracle How Tim Tebow Proves God is Wicked or Incompetent… or Both”. When first reading the article I got the sense that he was defaming the Christian religion by making comments like “I think that believing that there’s an invisible man in the sky who helps quarterback win football games is rooted in either idiocy or wickeness, or some combination of the two.” If he was trying to make the point that God has other things to worry about than watching over football games than he made that point very POORLY. “There’s some invisible man in the sky” sets a very uneasy mood to me as a reader. Being an “expert” writer, Moore should know by now that dictation is a very important literary device that can convey the wrong kind of feeling if used improperly. Moore (tries) argue that if there was a God he would be putting most of his time in the poor, suffering children of the world. But if Moore was more educated on the topic he would know that God looks out for all his children and that he works in mysterious ways. God can bless Tim Tebow’s health, ensuring nice passes, if he wants to that’s his decision. And if Moore was a believer of the Christian faith he would understand that God does not like to be questioned for he is Almighty and should be treated as such. How dare Moore?!
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CONTROVERSY! What are the two things that can whip Americans into a fervor more than anything else? Football and Religion of course. It's quite obvious that this article is a thinly veiled jab at religion, the author just sprinkled some football references to get the readers attention and make it relevant to current events. The article, in my opinion, is absolutely ridiculous because it seems to only stir up more enmity between Christians and Atheists. Although I am Atheist I think that Christians should just be left alone instead of having someone constantly try and undermine their beliefs. Yes, terrible things happen in the world everyday but there is no reason to make a certain group of people feel guilty for simply stating their opinion. No, God, or the idea of God (depending on your beliefs) is not malevolent, Atheists have just found a loophole in Christianity and have been exploiting it ever since. My question to the author is: What exactly are you trying to accomplish? I'm absolutely certain that no one who read this denounced their faith and stopped watching football. I just think that its idiotic to write articles like this it only alienates the two groups even more and the last thing we need is more hate. Now I'm all angry. >:(
ReplyDeleteThomas Enders i do agree with what you say. This man who posted this basically was trying to start some serious conflict between these people. He basically used this oppertunity to completly bash on not only god but this poor quarteback. This Quarterback was just trying to say that he has God behind him. him and his followers were being torn up. And its your choose to be Atheist you have that. I also agree with what you said about people trying to undermind each other. You have all this time to try and undermine somebody elses reiligon work on your own. Tom thank you for this comment it made my day
DeleteIn response to Thomas Enders: I like the context that you put this article into. Well I don’t “like” it because of how demeaning it potentially can be to a certain group of people, but it’s very interesting to read the article again in a new light. I think for a long time there has been a lack of attempt at understanding other peoples’ beliefs, whatever they are. For instance, a Christian often does not want to think about the possibility that there isn’t a God, or the other way around. It’s easier to be taught something or to realize something and keep it that way, which may be why people often don’t take the time to really educate themselves on other opinions.
DeleteIm with my BOy tom on this i mean this just shows he took the biggest star out right now and used it to on reiligon nott like that would really stop anyone from eaither it was just a "jab" at reiligen
DeleteWell first of all, I'm glad that somebody has cleared the air and answered my questions about “What the heck is a Tebow and why is everybody talking about that on Facebook?”!! I find it interesting that so many people (especially our age) seem to have such a strong opinion on this somewhat touchy subject. At a time when so many things in the lives of us young people are uncertain and constantly changing, I find it somewhat unusual that this talk of God and religious beliefs and practices is so completely “figured out” from person to person. In my opinion, realizing (and really understanding) truth takes time, calm, quiet, and clarity of the mind, soul as well as clarity in the air. That being said, I cannot take either side fully on this subject. I can see how some people would believe that Tebow has received help from a superior being (whatever name you want to give that), but I can also understand people thinking it is nonsense. I am not a sports person, so the entire idea of spending so much time, money and energy into just making the stadium which people play and watch these games seems kindof... unnatural and unnecessary to me, which may be why there has been a lack of “help” recently. I think if everybody just took the time to chill out, clear their head enough to find a natural equilibrium then we wouldn't be trying to put names and labels onto what we (individually) are aware of and know. We also would not be so quick to assume what we do and do not know and/or are aware of.
ReplyDeleteI don’t think it’s fair to say that Tebow proves anything for or against God. The only thing that he proves is that he is a religious person, based on his actions on and off field. Quite frankly, the only reason why this is even news at all, is because the news companies can make a story out of it. When people either hear about or see Tebow praying during a game, those who have an initial shock or surprise can blame the stereotyped label that often follows a football player. The differing versions between someone’s perception vs. their reality, just might be more than what they can take. The fact of the matter is whatever images and labels we hold onto in our own minds are often wrong. There will always be at least one person who breaks our “stereotype.” For example, if someone believes all football players are stupid, tough-no-religion-sorta guys, etc. it won’t take long to find a contradiction to prove them wrong. (After all, just look at Ryan Fitzpatrick who graduated from Harvard, or Tebow, who was raised by Christian missionaries.) Before we delve deeper into this story, like the other articles, we must erase our own biases, in order to present OUR perspectives clearer.
ReplyDeleteAnd so finally getting to the point… Do I personally believe that Tebow is receiving divine intervention because he is praying during football games? Absolutely not! As much as I respect the people who see it otherwise, I’m perfectly content in saying that I’m part of the 57% who see the flip side of the poll. I believe that Tebow praying during games is news simply because so many of us are boggled by the equation, religion + football player = religious football player. Hello? In the many years of football history, have we really missed seeing all the other football players who've ALSO prayed during games? What makes Tebow’s habits any more different or special than his counterparts, hmm? I just don’t get it.
On the flip side yet again, I don’t think we can credit the man who wrote the article as wrong, either. He raises some ‘interesting’ points that reflect a message more important than just the words he spews. Let’s face it. Religion is a touchy subject. It encompasses more than one belief and therefore holds no right or wrong way to be approached. Based on the 43% who voted, we can be rest assured that somebody out there believes all the things the author was talking about in the article. If that type of news bothers the author, let it bother him! While not all the ramifications he talks about applies to every person counted in the 43%, unless we meet every single last one of us on earth, I don’t think we can argue any differently.
In all of this I see the point of arguing whose right or wrong, pointless.
Ehhhhhh who cares? I understand that people just have to make fun of people but if they want to believe that God has blessed Tebow with winning games then let them. People will believe what they want to. And if God decides that he will help Tebow out then let him do that. The real question here is why does the writer care oh so much.. Must have been jealous that God made Tebow a famous footballer and left them out in the cold or something. Orrrr maybe it just so happens that he is a good player and loses a few games. But like I have said and will keep saying, who the heck cares? And anyway, what do we know? If there is a God (which there is) then why are we at him? So what if he wants to help out a dude named Tim? We don't know diddley squat so hush your mouths, watch the beautiful game of football, and shut up. ;p
ReplyDeleteto answer your main question; people care because helping a football player win a pointless game is an egregious misuse of ultimate divine power. this isn't matter of censoring religion in the media it's a matter of misplaced purpose. why would a a being of infinite knowledge and power care about a trivial human game? i doubt the author was jealous, he was probably mad at the idea that "god" would care more a bout foot ball than things like genocide or mass starvation or the depleting ozone.
Deleteif "god" does exist and care more about a dude named Tim rather than the dying populations of, for instance, Africa, then he/she/it is a pretty evil being
Carlos Feliciano
ReplyDeleteAlright just saying right now I hope I dont offend anyone. Honestly I feel this was taken just a little out of proportion. I feel its one of those personal things almost, if Tebow honestly believes that God is the one that helps him win games then those are his beliefs, on some parts I do agree with the author that it sounds almost ridiculous that an all powerful God is helping one man win football games. But again its based on ones beliefs someone who hasn’t been raised as a “Christian” may see this differently than one who hasn’t been raised this way. And again I feel people are just taking this a little far, just let the man believe what he believes and if you don't like it just leave him alone, plain and simple. Also I'm pretty sure Parker is trying to get us all to hate each other with these article responses.
In Response to Carlos: I agree with you. Not everyone in this world has been raised up in a Christian home and has those Christian beliefs so it’s true that not everyone is going to see this article the same way. Honestly I do think that Anthony Amore took it a little bit too far because he could have used better words and phrases to get his point across. If tim Tebow believes that God is helping him win football games, then let him believe that because we are all entitled to our own beliefs and opinions. Lastly, I think that Parker wants to read and see our views on these topics and getting us to be mad at each other would be an added bonus!
DeleteIn response to Carlos: I agree with your response! Its true people just need to let the man be! So what if God helps him, I am feeling like these kinds of reactions are happening out of jealousy. This whole situation has been carried way out of hand. God helps whomever he wants, whenever he wants. Like one of my fellow classmates said it is his "God given talent" America shouldn’t have wasted their time on creating a poll, I mean what is it possibly going to change his religion? Its time to just move on with our lives and worry about more important things !
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Thank you carlos. This whole Tim Tebow is not even relevant. It seems like people are making a big deal out of this for no reason. If God is helping him, SO WHAT? Do you homework, go to work, or read a book or something instead of being concerned about a professional football player’s personal life. At the end of the day he is still getting a check whether God is helping him or not so why should we care. Just to clear the air the only reason I’m replying to your response is because yours was short to read. So don’t look at your comments and think that people are interested in yours because my response is clearly the BEST! :D
DeleteI hope this is a joke because I find it weird that people would really think this man has "God on his side" all because of his religious beliefs and his record. Yes people have their favorite teams and secretly wish that god would help that team out, but to have people to say it out loud is crazy, let alone write about it. Agreeing with Leah, this has only been blown up by the media to make money off of it. People love money! I think he just wanted to have more fame, make people think more about religion and have a few more bucks into his pocket. I think footfall should be about football and religion should only be about religion. Why would God want this man to have a “good record”? People just choose to make up this nonsense just to have something to talk about. Some people may believe that this is true and others think that this is just a joke but at the end of the day, he is a great football player.
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DeleteIn response to LeeAna, I agree that this really isn’t a huge deal, its really just being blown up by the media just to make some extra money. I feel like if Tebow hadn’t been this famous no one would care about what he believes, he could have been a great player with no recondition no one would be paying any mind to him. So yes I believe this whole situation was just to get people money and attention.
I agree and disagree somewhat with your statement. It is true that this has probably been blown way out of proportion, people will just find anything to talk about these days... However, for all we know God could be helping Tebow with his game, who are we to say that we know what God does and doesn't do. Maybe by helping Tebow, he is in turn helping others through charity. Of course we don't know that, but it could happen. After all God works in mysterious ways. I guess no matter how hard we try, anything pertaining to God will always be up in the air, and maybe he just likes it like that. Again though, I agree that for forty-three percent of America to up and believe that God is ignoring the rest of the world to help Tebow score in a football game is just ridiculous.
DeleteI find this funny. 43% of these Americans are just mad that a church boy is beating their favorite teams! If Tim Tebow heard this I hope he would throw up with disgust. This is a slap in the face to ANY athlete that is successful. Don’t get me wrong I believe in God, but he can only help you as much as you’re willing to be helped. Tim Tebow has WORKED AND TRAINED for everything he has. All people see is Tim Tebow going out and making spectacular 4th quarter comebacks. They don’t see the numerous hours he has to put in learning the play, going over it with the team, and keeping his body in peek condition in order to be able to carry out these plays. Also I believe God does not take sides when it comes to sports. Say if there was someone as equally as open and dedicated to God as Tim Tebow on the other team. How would God know which team to make win? Does he flip a coin? Come on people lets be realistic. If that were true SOTA basketball team would be undefeated because I pray before every game!
ReplyDeleteSN: I know that somebody is tempted to say, “Right, you guys lose because you suck.” Just know I’m at anyone who is at my team.
Eliana Santana replying to Leon Melson's comment...
Delete...I agree with you Leon, I thought that too! How can God have sides? It's a just a sport and it doesn't mean that a believer will do great and win at every game. I'm not really a fan of the Broncos and was devastated when Denver beat Pittsburgh on overtime and I was super glad when Patriots got them the next week. I must admit that Tebow is a great player and has become an outstanding asset to the Broncos. But it's definatly not that God is guiding his every move. What you see in the game is the result of a life of dedication to practice and progress. Anyone can believe in God and pray to Him and love Him in their life. What makes someone good at something, though, is not believing in God, or wishing, for that matter, it's practice, discipline, and devotion. I think that the reason people come up with things like that is because they are extreme fans, hopefully, not just a bunch of bandwagons, and they just speak overly proud about their favorite players. As for the SOTA basketball team though, uhhhh, I'll come to a game sometime:).
Karis Perry responding to Leon Melson: Agreed. You couldn’t have said it any better. God just doesn’t decide “ ohh today I’m going to have this team lose” or “that player, play great”. God lets things happen naturally. I think people are really just mad that Tewbow might be a lot more blessed with great talent unlike other players and they think that god may just favor him. That’s not the case. God doesn’t really take sides. Haha you make a great point to the fact that SOTA’s basketball team really sucks and even your praying can’t buy you guys a win every now and then.
DeleteI agree with Leon. God can only do soo much, and clearly Tebow has gotten to where he is bwcause of the training and work he has done. Its true that we don't see all the work that goes into training for games, soo the 43% of Americans are going to go with the fact that God did this for Tebow. Ok whatever, let them think that. Also, there are a lot of good teams out there, soo God just can't pick one to be in love with..
DeleteI agree with leon 100 % , it does seem like they're not giving him the credit he deserves. To be a football player it takes hard work & dedication. I completely believe in God but everyone knows prayer can only get you so far if your praying for good grades but your not putting the work in to get them you will not receive them thats just the sad truth of the matter. Tebow worked hard to win those games so for you to basically say he's only winning because of god is downing his talent and kind of silly.
DeleteJames (Jamie) Vanhouter response too Leon:
DeleteI completely agree with you Leon, people need to stop jumping to conclusions and give the man his props. Like any other football player he had to go through the hard work, training, practice & dedication for not only himself but the team. If prayer was too be the answer for everything then the world would be having people catching the holy ghost every minute of day for their hopes and/or dreams. I know I would. I believe that those 57% of people are obviously the more realistic people and the people thinking things out fully through. I actually hope that Tim Tebow comes across this article and responds just because I feel his reaction would be just as realistically & closely compared too our blogs.
Asia Vanderveen
ReplyDeletePeople are quick to blame other people for a bad reaction. Its really stupid to up and blame God for Tebow not winning. For the 43% that believe God has an influence over the wins of football have to understand that this is the real world, good and bad things are going to happen. This topic is very argumentative because people have different beliefs and opinions. Personally Im offended because I am a Christian, and stated in this article "God must like child rape too". I believe one must build a relationship with God, nothing is perfect in this world and God is in a ultimate battle with the devil. But people are closed-minded and just looks at the little picture and not the big one.
In Response to Asia: I totally agree with you. A lot of people today are very narrow-minded and they’re not really seeing the bigger picture, the full scale of things. God is a just God that has to rule over a world that has been corrupted by a multitude of sins. “people are quick to blame other people for a bad reaction” that’s true to this very day because it is easier to blame everyone and everything else for things that happen when we know that it is not right to do and I would know because I do the same thing too sometimes.
DeleteThe whole article seems very impolite, and to speak without knowledge of what you are referring to or to speak in an attempt to be heard and to receive attention is extremely immature. Maybe the author hasn’t been exposed to Christianity and it’s roots and how God has worked in his own life or maybe he does have knowledge of God and has chosen to speak of him in a bothered tone for some reason that I don’t know of. One thing I can say is that he knows not what he is saying to have the audacity to mock God in the way that he has throughout the article. I am a firm believer that God works in my life everyday and plays the biggest role in all of the success that I have received and will receive in my life. So through my eyes I do not doubt at all the positive impact that God has had on the career of Tim Tebow. For me being a Christian is about having the faith in God that he will handle it all. Even in this situation where I have a lot of peace regarding the whole article because I have now put it in God’s hands.
ReplyDeleteI think you took this article a little to serious. I don’t think the author was trying to mock God, I just think that he was stating that it would be unfair if God helped a FOOTBALL player win football games and their still world poverty and disease. Don’t get me wrong, I am a Christian but I don’t believe God makes him win football games. All athletes’ work for what they have. I think Elexus said it best when she said, “if your praying for good grades but your not putting the work in to get them you will not receive them that’s just the sad truth of the matter.”
DeleteNow Im not that kind of guy to judge on te spot. This man is totally ripping on this quarterback and his believes. Honestly in my opinion like he spent all this time tearing this guy up. Tenow is defiantly just your average guy with a little bit of faith in the man upstairs. And for this critic to spend his breath and fingers on the keyboard is crazy. Now my opinion is quite swayed because I am a man of faith. I do believe in God and all of his spleanders. Like my beef with this guy is that he tries to give it alittle bit of justifatcstion by saying crazy stuff. Why are kids ferrying raped an why do people die and why this an why that. To the kids getting molested it's tragic by it's the people that did the wrong acts. It's the people that do these wrong things. And the question of the day is why doesn't he step in. My explanation is a bit like this. God can honestly do what ever he wants I beilibe he puts us through trails and tribulations to test us. I agree that no body deserves rape or to be brutally killed. But God has a reason for everything and what he does in my but is completely justified. Kudos to this quarterback. He can genome all he wants .
ReplyDeleteClearly, God has nothing to do with football. God has no "preferred team" or anything of that sort. Tim Tebow worships God, and is rewarded with having God by his side, on the field and off it. If this is a matter of what God does, and does not do; God helps starving children and the sick/dying by sending people to help them. God does not poof food and medicine out of thin air does he? Of course not, humans who've learned how to make medicine and food, create it. God has nothing to do with whether there are starving and sick children or not, we do.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with this statement. God gives each and everyone one of us certain skills and talents to help the world. If God could fix all of the world's problems then it would've been done already. It is quite ignorant to believe that we can just sit back and watch God do all the work. The way that he helps the world is by having us go and help those people with our own individual gifts, so it is up to every person whether to act on those gifts. Perhaps it was Tebow's gift to be a good football player and is simply praising his God for that. Hell, I would too if I could play like him! -Roberto Rivera
DeleteI also agree, Melissa. If there's a God, he's definitely not magicking the things people want or need out of thin air, whipping up winning lotto tickets, Maseratis, and acting skills. He would let people learn how to do these things or get them themselves, and then they go forth and do it. Hey! Everybody did everything. God guided, Tebow drove it to the end zone. Clearly no signs of conspiracy there.
DeleteAmanda Crespo in response to Melissa
DeleteI agree Melissa! It’s true people seem to take things out of proportion. I believe God is not favoriting football he favors everyone. "Of course not, humans who've learned how to make medicine and food, create it. God has nothing to do with whether there are starving and sick children or not, we do." this statement is interesting! Because people don’t seem to see this that we are the ones who help do Gods work! People just need to get over it and move on with their life’s seriously
-Amanda Crespo
I agree with Melissa , People over think way to much. I believe that God gives miracles and not only in football, he see's everything and everybody.God sends people to sick to help them he doesn't leave anyone out. Tebow has the faith to play football and win ! There is no one using Tebow as a puppet from above he works hard to get to where you he wants to be. Religious people who worship god have faith . Maybe this person should GO TO CHURCH !!
DeleteTo be honest i don't know how to feel about this article. I believe in god and when people say that god is helping Tebow win games well of course he is god helps everyone in everything that they do, all it takes is faith that he can do all things. Do i believe that he is favoring Tebow ? No i don't. I also don't feel people should blame god for his teams losing of the past three games .. Its just a game you win some & you lose some that's life. God wouldn't punish Tebow or any of his team mates for something he did.
ReplyDeleteMy honest opinion, I believe that God may exist and helps out with not just football but everything. People just stating how faithful Tim Tebow is I personally think has nothing to do with his win the other day. God helping everyone and everything doesn't mean he would have to be focused on just a silly old win for the Denver Broncos regardless how faithful Tim Tebow and his other fellow team mates may be. I could pray for something every 5 minutes a day but that doesn't mean it would happen for sure or even happen on the exact timing as I would think of it. Also people speaking down upon God like that I believe wasn't relevant because of the fact that like I said he is said to help everyone and everything rather then just being focused on Tim Tebow making a win. The wins and lost of Tim Tebow and the Denver Broncos I think just has to do with the teams ability, endurance, amount of practice and/or ambition/ determination to make a win. Just doing the best one could do is all that could ever be asked of someone in a position like this.
ReplyDeleteSorry in advance about this being so long, but I just felt that two-hundred words was not enough to express what I like.
ReplyDeleteThis story shows exactly why I believe in God in my own way... The church says that anyone who doesn't read the bible, or doesn't believe in God is wicked and will be cast down to the fiery infernos of hell. That is a ridiculous assumption for a few reasons. For one, who are they to decide who is going to heaven or hell? That right remains with God. That brings me to reason two; why in the world God deny a perfectly fine Hindu man who has been nothing but good and charitable all his life entrance to heaven just because he worships a different god? In my own vision of God, that would be just plain cruel, but again it is a matter of opinion. For someone else who puts full trust into the bible this may be perfectly justified. Now that we're on that topic, I respect the bible and I have read a little, but I don't necessarily follow it and nor have I gone to church in a very very very long time. According to the church and the bible, I guess I'd be a shoo-in for the land of limestone and sulfur, but I don't think that I should have to read a book and go to some building with a cross on its roof to have a good relationship with God. I am simply enjoying a casual relationship with my deity and worshiping him in my own way, which to me is much more meaningful. After all, the church and the bible were things created by humans, who I'm sure from the very moment of their conception have put their own opinions into the them. To say that the bible is perfect is to say that humans are perfect, which implies that we are on par with God which is simply arrogant in my opinion. Another of my beliefs is, I don't think our lives are entirely predetermined by God, but rather guided by him. He sets the paths in front of us, and it is up to us whether to follow them or not. Anyways, I know I'm way off topic so I'll start talking about this Tebow argument thing. First off, it's just plain ignorant in my eyes, of the writer to say such things about God. Does he really know what goes on up in God's mind? I guess I better start worshiping him then! That's sarcasm by the way... Besides, if it was up to God to fix all the problems of the world then it would have been done already. You want to know why it hasn't been done already? Since it is up to us to fix it. He may have been the one to create it, but we are the ones that have live on this planet. Any problems that arise on the planet should be taken care of by us humans, the people with the power to change it. Sure we can ask for a little bit of help from God, or a blessing or two, but to just expect poverty and world hunger to be fixed over night while we sit back and watch is just ignorant. What would that teach us? Sure God could fix all our problems, but then we'd all become lazier than we already are, expecting the almighty to come and take care of everything. Anyway, how does Anthony Amore know that God isn't helping Tim Tebow win? Maybe by helping him, God is giving him the chance to use that money to help people around the world. Of course that decision lies with Tebow, but how could Anthony possibly know God's motives, after all God works in mysterious ways. Maybe God isn't helping him at all, and it's simply Tebow's own effort or perhaps a combination of the two. How do we know? From the feel of this story it feels like he's making it more about the same old Christians versus Atheists argument more than anything else, the last thing we need in this suffering world. Maybe before Anthony Amore accuses God of neglect, he should do something more productive with the time he took to write this, like building schools in Africa or something. We have to meet God half-way, we can't expect him to take care of it all. After all, if we don't express a desire to help others, why should we expect God to? -Roberto Rivera
Chelse C.
ReplyDeleteWhat is wrong with society today? Are we really into football so much that we have to bring God into it? I mean come on! 43 percent of Americans believe that God helped Tim Tebow win. So that means 57 percent of Americans believe that this is really unnecessary and I agree with the 57 percent. I don’t believe that God would be so interested in a football game to the point where He purposefully helps a specific team win or let a specific team lose. I really think that God has better things to take care of than guiding Tim Tebow’s feet into the end zone so the Denver Broncos can defeat another team. I also believe (and I might offend some football fans by saying this) that football is really NOT that important! Instead of watching overgrown men in tight, colored spandex throwing an odd shaped ball around maybe you should do something better with your time by reading a book, doing your homework or spending time with your family. Overall, I believe that Tim Tebow is a good athlete who believes in God, I believe that God didn’t help him win any games and I think that the 43 percent of Americans, who believe this, are in dire need of help!
Amanda Crespo said:
ReplyDelete“Nearly half of all Americans think that there is a supreme being, an all-knowing, all-powerful creator, who actually takes an interest in the National Football League.” Anthony Moore says. America you’re CONFUSED! What is the big deal now? Why is this bringing so much controversy but if Tebow believed and worshipped another god this would not even be a big deal! 43% percent of Americans are just jealous face it! I actually found this article quite humorous because they mention that God is helping Tebow win but dismiss the fact that he works just as hard as every other football player out there! I'm saying if Tebow prays before he go's out there let him be that’s his belief! As a Christian I’m a firm believer of prayer and faith and if God helped Tebow so be it! Get over it. I personally hate football and it strikes no interest in me whatsoever! But if a man decides on sharing his faith and giving the glory to the one who deserves it who are we to take his right away of Freedom of Religion! If God helped Tebow or if it is his own personal strength no one will ever know =)
-Amanda C.
Throughout Tim Tebow's career, I have witnessed him pull off some miraculous comebacks. I have watched him excel on the collegiate level, as well as the professional level, and he is still one of the best at his position. When Tebow decided to enter the NFL Draft after his senior season at Florida, most sports analysts felt that he couldn't succeed at Quarterback in the NFL, despite him being the most winning Quarterback in college football history. He was scrutinized for his unorthodox style of play. Whenever I turned on ESPN, I would hear comment like, " Tebow can't throw with accuracy", or " No franchise in their right mind will draft Tebow in the first round." He proved doubters wrong, and the Denver Broncos drafted Tim Tebow in the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft. As a Tebow fan, I have always known that he is a firm believer in Christianity. Unlike a lot of other NFL players, Tebow isn't really into partying, and drinking, because it goes against his beliefs. 43 percent of Americans think that god is responsible for some of the success that Tim Tebow has on the field. Although I believe there is a god who watches over all of us, I would have to disagree. I have watched Tebow workout on three different levels of the sport, and I feel that he wins because of his hard work and dedication. Although Tim has came through for his team in a lot of clutch moments, he has also failed on the big stage as well. I think there is a god, but I'm almost positive with all the problems we have in the society, he doesn't get a chance to watch football much.
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In response to Anthony Amore’s remarks regarding Tim Tebow and God I can agree with him. It’s clear that Tebow is the Denver Bronco’s highly praised player, but at the same time is he as highly praised by God? 43% of Americans believe that to be true, almost half of America is convinced that God is behind Tebow’s triumphs. When on national TV, he never wastes any time announcing his stance on religion. The fact that he would have to publicly announce his beliefs anytime someone is listening makes me question his sincerity. It is very possible that Tebow could be using his strong ‘religious beliefs’ to get his popularity votes. The idea that God is favoring a football league over children suffering in third world countries is ridiculous. If God exercised power to help a football team, one would assume that he would cure the illnesses and end the poverty. Since he hasn’t done this, it would be absurd to think God would think so much of a mere football team when there are bigger problems. Amore made another valid point when he mentioned the three games the Bronco’s lost in a row! If God is miraculously helping this ‘church boy’ Tebow, why wasn’t he with him for the last three games? Does he just appear when it’s convenient for him? Sometimes people ought to think about stupid things sound before they speak.
AMAHTALA says I'm not too much of a football fan, but I did tune into the Patriots vs Broncos game this past Saturday. Reading this I article became a little ammused because me and my friend where just talking about this.
ReplyDeleteWho ever made this article must have a lot of time on there hands. I believe in god as well as others and I feel like that in a whole could determine the win, lose, bad or good game the Tim Tebow. I feel like his being a spritual man could help his do better because those who know prayer changes things. But I don't feel like the whole out come of a game and be effect by just Tebow himself. I disagree with the whole artilce because sports are based on your practice and performance. For an example I pray before ever race that that hasn't made me the best in section v track & field.
Wade Walker
ReplyDeleteBefore I start, I must say that I don’t believe in a god. But From this article, it seems as if this is not a big issue because only forty-three percent believe this. That’s less that fifty percent. That’s really not that important because less than half believe this. Also, has society really come to the point where we now have to intertwine religion and sports? I mean really? It’s as if it’s the end of the world. “Oh no Tim Tebow pissed and the Broncos lost! He MUST have pissed off God!” Really? Society has hit an all time low. I’m not flaunting my “I don’t believe in a god” belief, but I just think that there are more important issues than Tebow and God. What about the cruise ship that tipped over? What about the car accident in California where the mother and daughter hung for their lives? What about the twelve Leroy teens who are suffering from a mysterious disease? Issues like this are more important than Tebow pissing off a god. But it also makes me wonder. What do people of other faiths believe about their religious figure having an influence on the Broncos winning or losing?
Carlos Feliciano
DeleteIn response to Wade, it really isn’t that big of an issue and yes it is ridiculous that people are taking something like this oh so seriously. And its absurd that just because the broncos lost a few games people automatically assume that Tebow “pissed off God” somehow. And as you said there are plenty of other things to be worried about, not about just one mans beliefs that God helps him play a sport. Again as I said just let the man believe what he believes and go on with your life.
Chabelli says that , this article is very amusing & interesting. i usually dont watch football i just wait for the super bowl parties because i really dont get football, but ive cheered football seasons before. i aslo believe god and the faith of believing and that god helps but in a game like this it has to do with god because allowed them to play that day in the game but it was all up to the players if they were playing well enough to have that win, so its completely ridiculous for people to say that god made these guys have a win or that
ReplyDeleteIn response to Chabelli, you usually don't watch football but you've cheered at football games, what were you watching? I agree that God didn't decide whether or not Tebow will lead his team to a loss or victory before every game. Tebow's own talent determined his performance in the game. Why is it Tebow's responsibility to lead the team to a victory or not? There are plenty other players out there on the field with him. What if the players he faces one game are simply more challenging and he just can't defeat them? You can't win everything.
DeleteChabelli... Chabelli... Chabelli! Yes,this article is amusing and interesting but sinnce you have no point, I find it it hard to agree or disagree with you. Shanelle brings up a good question in which she wonders, how were you occupying your time while cheering at football games? And I'm wondering the same thing. Saying that God allows them to play means nothing really; God allowed you to be there while not be attentive if that's the case.
DeleteGod grants individuals with certain gifts and talents. Like these individuals, Tebow is one of them and he. Happens to be gifted in athletics; football in this case. From going to church and being taught things about God, I've learned that it's not the talent that God gives you that's important ... it's what you do with your talent that matters. This is interesting because I've developed an idea that we are all put on this Earth, some play the role of "fillers" and some as "leading characters" but, that's just my weird mind. From those who become superstars making millions, to those who "don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of" all have a purpose and make life ... life. God works in mysterious ways and in some way, helps all of us. I believe that God blesses everyone and some reach their full potential when the time is right in THEIR life.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that people have talent because God gave it to them. There are people who don't believe in God that have talent so where did their talent come from? Some people are athletic and coordinated and can just end up being good at a lot of things. But hard work is what separates one from the rest. Not one's faith or if God decided to make you more talented than the next person. Potential is reached when you've worked hard enough to get there, not when God decides.
DeleteI agree totally with you Shymel, Sometimes people don't understand a relationship that people have with God. Because of that ignorance they denounce the fact that he is real let alone helping people do simple things as winning football games. We are all given a responsibility to share our gifts that God has given us to the world. When we openly give thanks to God people then begin to question our sanity. I wonder and this is only a thought if people notice on the MTV awards when people say I would like to thank the Dark lord or things of that nature when they get an award, or when Jack Black was worshiping Satin openly while hosting the MTV awards I didn't see anyone making a big deal about that. This s crazy!
DeleteI agree with Shymel, I think that when you give to others you receive your blessings. I think that Tebow was given this gift to play football so he used it the best way he knew how. Tebow having the gift could be why he is such a great athlete. The wins the teams have had should be credited toward Tebow and the team’s players. He should personally thank god and if they lose it was just a lost. Many people thank god for what they have and he should just do the same.
DeleteI agree with Shymel, The way he explained it is brilliant. Some people believe in God much more than others, God gives miracles he may not return your prayer as soon as he gets it, but In the future you will be blessed by him. Apparently the person who wrote this does not have a strong relationship with God and is just speaking pure foolishness to get attention or just try to put his point across in the world but it’s wrong. People read the bible, and pray to receive word from God and follow the path he has set for them. Tebow has a true passion for Football and works hard for what he wants. It took him time to get where he is. It really is just true ignorance in America. People feel that whatever they say has to be heard and someone should put there thought in it, No one just can’t ever think about the answer and realize that what God does is good!
DeleteKaris Perry responding to shymel : I totally agree with what you are saying. I go to church as well and I was taught and told the same thing. God grants individuals with certain gifts and talents. It’s your choice if you decide whether or not you’re going to use it or not. Tewbow was just a person with great talent and potential and he choose to take that and run with it. I think now people are just trying to punish him in a kind of way by saying that God just helps him win and there not giving him the credit by just saying he is a really good player and he has worked hard
DeleteIn response to shanelle's comment: I never looked at in that way. There are a lot of people out there that don't believe in god and they still have as much talent as the people who do believe in god. I just feel that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No saying that Shymel is wrong because he is definitely not, but you also have to think about what shanelle has said. In response to Shymel: I did believe that maybe god grants people gifts but after reading shanelle's comment, you'll never know. Maybe Tim Tebow its just a talented young man who helps his team score touchdowns. But that is besides the point, Tebow should be able to believe whatever he wants to believe and not have the media all over him.
DeleteIt is hard to age or disagree with this article because everyone in this world has the right to believe what they want to believe. No one can tell another person that what they believe in is wrong. If 43% believe that god is helping Tim Tebow be a better quarterback then let them believe it. Maybe Tim Tebow worships god publicly because he feels that it will help him during his games. The man that wrote this article is just stating his opinion. Maybe he has such a strong opinion about this because he probably doesn't believe in a supreme being. Whether a person believes in Buddha, God, Allah, the Devil or nothing, no one had the right to tell them that what they believe in is something wrong even if it does look wrong in society.
ReplyDeleteEliana Santana replying to Mary Rotan... Mary brings up a good point that I hadnt even thought of. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and has the right to say it. If they believe Tim Tebow is receiving divine help while he plays then so be it. Even though common sence shows he devotes much time to his team and to his skill. Everyone can believe what they want about this guy, that's ok. And im pretty sure in America or even somewhere outside the states theres people of all sorts of beliefs and backrounds and cultures that watch football. They've seen how much improvement the Broncos have had because of Tebow. But those 43% of Americans cant ignore that Broncos are stil not advancing to Superbowl 2012 and it's not Tim Tebow's fault or the Bronco's or even God's. 100% of Americans can believe what they want. Its just a game.
DeleteI agree with Mary, being that everyone has their own right to believe in who or what they want. We may all have our own opinions about it but soo what. If an athlete that we all know made it public that he believes in God, then ok, let's accept it and move on. If 43% of Americans think Tebow's wins are because of God, then let's let them think it. I also agree with the fact that this author may be soo opinionative because he may or may not believe in a big man in the sky. We can't sit here and pick at every little detail about everything... Who knows.
ReplyDeleteMatthew Sieber-Ford is again i gatta say right although i hate the agruu emnts about race or regilgin but it seems like this guy said somthing about someone famus to start consvercy
ReplyDeleteIn response to Mary R, i agree with your response because i also found it very hard to agreee or disagree because it all depends on if your a religious person or not. I see many repsonses that are on the religious side of the blogs and i cant respond to them because they are a win win type of situation, like you cant tell somebody that believes in god that Jesus wasnt his right hand.... If you get my drift , there will be a big argument proceedind.
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God helps the people that ask. Tim Tebow is one of many people who pray to him asking for help and strength. Marissa said, “God is not sitting with the fans and is telling Tebow how to move or how to lead the team, to get a win.” This is very true because God gives guidance, He does not actually go into someone’s body and make them move. God blesses us with talent and Tebow just works harder to become better. God may be a football fan but he does not just focus his time on it, He also focuses on the more important issues like hunger.
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Tim Tebow prays to God for motivation and guidance. God has blessed him with the gift of playing well at football but does not actually help him move across the field. Tebow works hard at perfecting his game of football because no one is perfect. Shayla said, “There are many talented footballs players in the NFL so why is it that the media wants to call out the one player who isn’t afraid to praise and thank God for his gift?” I agree with this statement because there are many other faithful sports players out there. Why do we have to focus on one who shows it?
In reply to Aireanna, I agree in what your saying, if you don't like the game don't watch it. I feel if Tebow wants to pray before the game then let him do it. If a player was Muslim and wanted to pray to his God before the game who are we to stop him? Let people believe in what they believe in. Everyone tries to say their religion is better than the rest. I honestly just don't get it.
ReplyDeleteThis is a response to the general populace (represented in full by our SOTA Journalism students): Are we all saying the same thing? Are we all a part of the same 57%? I've read about seven or eight posts and we're pretty much all saying the same set of things, with variations based upon our varying degrees of religious faith. This makes it very difficult to pick a specific person to agree with, because we all either said "Tim Teobow is a hardworking man- and I don't believe in God, so he has nothing to do with it" or Tim Tebow is a hardworking man- and God helps those who help themselves". Oh, and we all agree that God doesn't pick favorites among his children when it comes to football. How are we supposed to have controversy if we all think alike, guys? Come on, it's FOOTBALL an RELIGION- two of the most debatable topics in this great country of ours where we're free to be opinionated. It's so boring when we come together like this. Cheers to the 57%. Where are my 43 percenters?
ReplyDeleteAlso, let me clarify. I've fully read seven or eight posts (now nine). I've skimmed most of them, though, but why read the same message 80 times?
DeleteI semi-agree with Leon Melson's response, it's far more likely that Tebow has trained for years to be as successful as he is today. I think some of his success may be based on chance but I would believe that chance has helped him more than i would believe that God has helped him. If I went into the NFL tomorrow and played a game with nothing more than my faith I would probably die, for real. Tim Tebow's dedication to each game may be because he believes that God is with him and that might give him more drive. I think Leon completely over looked the remarks made about Christianity itself which I thought were the main point of the article. Either way I support Leon's stance about Tebow being where he is because of practice, not because of God.
ReplyDeleteI also Agree with Lee, the whole article seems a bit ridiculous, God and football are two pretty much unrelated topics and people ( myself included ) are getting too worked up about it which seems to be what the author was trying to do.
If God does exist he would be thinking about better things than football, unlike the 43% of Americans that make connections between religion and football. Just leave theology out of football in the first place.
I Agree and disagree with all the students (since I cant agree with myself) Once agian i feel no type of way about this whole article. People will always ahve their own opionins about something. people will disagree and agree to what other people say. People will have opinions on religious beleifs. And thats that. to me this article shouldn't have as much countrveousy( i spelled that wrong) like it does. Its an opinion of what 43% people feel. OH DAMN WELL. the end.
ReplyDeleteIn responce to Elexus: I definitely agree with you on the fact that Tebow's not gonna win them all. I agree that God isn't punishing him or helping him. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't, how are we ever gonna know? The article says 'how can God help with a football game and not children dying from disease'. Honestly does anyone REALLY have the answer to that? Has anyone asked God why? No. If Tebow wants to believe that God helps him during his games then let him! Maybe God does, or maybe it's Tebow thinking God does that makes him play better. NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW WHAT GOD DOES FOR THEM OR ANYONE ELSE. Why is it such a big deal anyways? Let him do his thing. Maybe God wanted to help him win his first couple games, maybe God let him lose his last couple games, maybe God hasn't done anything. I really don't get how people can say he did or didn't help unless they've talked to God themselves.
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